Thursday, July 07, 2005

Stam Yeynam - need help

I've been really troubled by the din of Stam Yeynam, that even a mechalel shabbas can't open a non-mevushal. I find it quite objectionable and really problematic - is it a chumrah or halachah lemaaseh, was it always this way? Are there modern Heterim for Tinok Shenishbah? I don't have the time right now to look into it, so if one of the knowledgeable ones out there (you know who you are) can answer me I would very much appreciate it.



At 7/08/2005 3:20 AM, Blogger mousetrap84 said...

i think dr./rabbi chaim soloveichick just came out with an entire book about this - it is supposed to be very interesting- i think its about the halachot but looks at it from a sociological perspective ( which would make sense given the author). you should check it out.

At 7/08/2005 4:09 AM, Blogger Jameel @ The Muqata said...

TRK: So use mevushol wine if you're worried about a mechalel shabbat person pouring it till you figure it out.

At 7/08/2005 4:14 AM, Blogger LostSpirit said...

Just a tip on the issue, yunom is because of betom, so if you are not makped on bitom; then yunom becomes ok!!!

At 7/08/2005 5:22 AM, Blogger Olah Chadasha said...

I'm sorry, TRK, I feel like a complete dult. I have no idea what Stam Yeynam is. Can you explain? You can email me if you want so as not to bore others with exaplanations. Thanks.

At 7/08/2005 7:30 AM, Blogger Litvshe said...

Dr. Grach is the expert...I'll second Mousetrap's suggestion.

At 7/08/2005 2:48 PM, Blogger ClooJew said...

Very surprised, lulei demistafina, that you don't have knowledge on this one. I thought you learned quite a bit. It's a sugya you could knock off over Shabbos. Rambam dedicates about one chapter to the whole thing. Very surprised.

BTW, Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, zt"l, and others paskined that today even mevushal doesn't do the trick. Yowza!

My question is, if the problem is chasnus, beer and whiskey should be problematic too.

At 7/09/2005 5:58 PM, Blogger Karl said...

I'm probably too late for this, but may help for next time. AFAIK, it is halocho not chumra. Solution: If there is no mashgiach there to do it for you, get the waiter/ess to bring it to you and open it yourself - not letting him/her touch it till your done. T'will be a bit awkward but then thats their problem for being a mechalel Shabbos.
I had similar problem once. Let us know what you did / how it went.

At 7/14/2005 9:50 PM, Blogger Soferet said...

Cloojew, please don't say that! Kosher Canadians don't need to hear that beer may be problematic...

At 7/18/2005 12:33 PM, Blogger HaJew said...

A religious friend of mine was once at a Shabbos meal and said something "hashkafically" that the "baal habayit" differed with and said "please don't touch my wine."

Cloo - can it be that Chasnus is the problem but the chachamim were gozer on wine (maybe because that was the main concern at the time) and the gzeira stayed as is.

At 7/21/2005 11:20 AM, Blogger ClooJew said...

Yes, absolutely. The Rabbis decree, lulei demistafina, stands as it is (wine only), which works to our "advantage." When I go to business meetings at treif restaurants, all I can do is (hick!) drink!

I too would be disappointed if I lost my ability to hoist a tall cold one!


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