Thursday, August 04, 2005

Dear G-d, sorry for those who kill in Your name

I'm sorry. Al Cheyt:
For the madmen who claim to kill in Your Name.
For the innocent victims of Your "holy messengers" who merely want to travel in peace to their destination.
For the Rabbis and Imams who incite people to violence, who indoctrinate them to destroy Your beautiful creations whom You formed in Your likeness.
For the simple disturbed fools who are so brainwashed that they believe their murderous actions will help matters, or will reward them with heavenly virgins.
For those of us who sit quietly by while the killers do their dirty work.
For those who will condemn, yet add a "but ... ".
For those who always point their finger at the Other, never at themselves.
For those callously removed from their homes, forcibly evicted from their abodes.
For the orphans and widows who will never again merit their parent's love, their spouse's embrace.
For the flicker of lost hope, that gets steadily extinguished in the bloodbath of the innocents.

For all of us.



At 8/05/2005 4:07 AM, Blogger Pragmatician said...

How sad that an article like this is needed.
But it is

At 8/05/2005 7:31 AM, Blogger Jameel @ The Muqata said...

Its not needed, and don't beat yourself up over a lunatic. The kid's parents had been trying for 2 months to get the IDF to get their son and take away his rifle. After the IDf half heartedly tried, the soldier's parents BEGGED Carmela Menashe, the IDF reporter for Reshet Bet to help. The Shabak was quoted yesterday as saying they knew who the guy was, they knew where he was, but they didn't think he would do something like this. So, how is it that the parents are begging the IDF to do something, the Shabak knows where he is, and does nothing...and then this happens? Its very simple. Instead of the Police and Shabak running after 12 year old girls keeping them in jail for over a month for anti-disengagement passive civil disobedience, they should do what theyre supposed to do. (Which doesn't include going after the Sharon families political opponents...regardless of age).

Sorry - the IDF, Police and Shabak messed up big time. The parents did everything they could. However, for you to blame the anti-disengagement camp is pure incitement.

At 8/06/2005 11:49 AM, Blogger Olah Chadasha said...

Jameel, again don't have a heart attack, but I agree with you on this one. How this kid slipped through the cracks, we may never know. But, this is another reason in my book why the police should not be involved in the disengagement. They could have stopped him from being lynched, but where were they? They were all coming back from Ofakim.
Why didn't this kid get the appropriate help before-hand? Tell me that.
This Al Cheyt is interesting, but I don't believe I have to ask for forgiveness for another religion's actions and beliefs. I just believe that it my job, as a human and Jew, to stop them from festering. I will have to ask for forgiveness if I haven't done that to my fullest abilities. I also don't have to ask for forgiveness for those being removed from their homes. I don't believe it's being done callously, and even though I really like you TRK, you have no right to say such things when you're not here experiencing it. You are insulting members of my family who are involved in making the disengagement as non-callous as humanly possible. You don't know what they're doing, and how hard they're working, so don't talk like you know what it's like. But, other than that, I say to your Al Chayt:

At 8/07/2005 3:18 AM, Blogger Jameel @ The Muqata said...

OC: You're agreeing with me more and more lately :-)

You are ansolutely correct that the police and IDF should not be involved at all with the disengagement. The Sharon family is causing terrible damage to the State by ripping the very fabric of Jewish unity apart.

Where's TRK's al-chait for kicking Jews out of their homes? Expelling limbless Jewish children - victims of Arab terror - from their homes, and giving their homes to terrorists? How about the al-chait for allowing 6000+ rockets and mortars to rain down on these people, and then kick them out of their homes?

Whatever. got to get back to work.

At 8/08/2005 9:39 AM, Blogger The Rabbi's Kid said...


I wrote: "For those callously removed from their homes, forcibly evicted from their abodes."

I do however believe that the anti camp must be very very careful about the type of language they use, the influence they have on othersa and the way they push away those who sit on the fence.


You really don't believe it is done callously? As Jameel so rightly said (I love getting flak from both sides)"Expelling limbless Jewish children - victims of Arab terror - from their homes, and giving their homes to terrorists? How about the al-chait for allowing 6000+ rockets and mortars to rain down on these people, and then kick them out of their homes?"

I'm obviously not referring to anyone specific, and I do believe that I have the right to say what I feel. Don't become one of those Israelis who thinks no one in the world has anything positive or valuable to say.


At 8/09/2005 4:37 AM, Blogger Olah Chadasha said...

It's not about becoming one of those people. It's simply about the fact that you are making statements based on things that you know nothing about. I don't believe that it's being done callously. As my family members who are directly involved in the hitnatkut process have said, many of the families don't believe it, either. Callously would be kicking them out on their asses with nothing in their hands but what they could carry. This is being done with the utmost care and caution. Yes, there are mistakes, and there foul-ups. The Army, for all its glory, is nowhere near perfect.
Their homes are not being given to terrorists. We're seeing to that. I believe that they're being moved out to save their lives. Callous for wanting to protect your people? Give me a break! No-one will be left behind. Then, we can go in and kick those terrorists' asses without worrying that they'll mass retaliate on Gaza residents, some of whome are surrounded on all sides by Pals. Callous? I dont think so. Let the Pals take that spit of land and rot in it. As I've been seeing, they're already starting to implode in there. Let them do it without risking any of our peoples' lives. Let them fight over it like a pack of rabid dogs until none of them are left to enjoy the bounty. Then, we'll go in, clean up the mess, and take it back. Callous? I don't think so.
You have every right to say what you feel, but you should take care with the words you use; especially when it comes to describing things and people you don't have a direct connection and experience to, except for what you read in the paper or see on TV. As my family members have said, "Don't believe in what you're reading. They're not telling you shit".


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