Friday, February 10, 2006

A War on Intolerant Islam

Now that my emotions have calmed down somewhat, I might be able to express myself clearly, though again the chances of that are both slim and fat.

Firstly, I know that there are many millions of law-abiding, first amendment respecting, normal muslims out there, including a couple of fellow bloggers, for whom I have the utmost respect. But I am concerned, worried, disturbed, distressed. We are at a crossroads. Especially in the ticking time bomb for our European brothers acoss the pond.

Let's tell things as they are - the one thing in common between these protesters across the world is Islam. Most of them are indoctrinated to believe that someone who caricatures the Prophet Mohammed deserves punishment, even death.

I have no problem in peaceful protests, letters to the editor, all the tools of democratic society can be utilized against an offensive depiction of someone or something you believe to be holy. Please do. As a Jew, I know what it is like when people try and knock you down, trample on what you believe to be holy and sacred. You must fight it, denounce it as racist, abusive, intolerant etc.

But to respond with violence, to call for acts of violence against the perpretators, or any of the other despicable acts we have seen recently, that is beyond the pale. That is something the mdoern world cannot take, on such a scale. A fatwa against Salman Rushdie is unacceptable in today's world.

Liberal open societies work on the system "I may not like what you say but I will fight for your right to say it", i.e. if people want to publish or express their view, however racist, anti-semitic or disgusting I find it, they have the right to do so. As long as it doesn't incite violence. That is the beauty of open, modern societies. Long may it continue. We fought for it for a long time.

However, the attititude of much of the Islamic world is not like that. This is where liberal values and Islam's religious views clash, head to head, in a supreme battle for the world's future, to define what kind of societies will we live in. Will Europe in 2050 contain Londonistan, Central Europe one big Khilafah, our basic freedoms restricted or destroyed? The Middle East regress into a raging torrent of intolerance? The UN voting in a platform of worldwide sharia?

I know I am presenting a worst-case scenario, and there are millions and millions of peace-loving muslims who are also concerned. It is time for all of us to stand up and be counted, to state that we cannot allow this insiduous attitude to reign in our societies. Now is the time, before it is too late. Please.

A concerned and extremely disturbed TRK


At 2/10/2006 8:36 AM, Anonymous Shaas vote said...

"We fought for it for a long time."

We are not free as Jews we are slaves in Galut and the "American" freedom is not the Torah one. We are each an independant state and all our actions (including violence, books and speech) can destroy or build the world. Those of you that faught for it never won Hashem fights his and our battles daily. I pray that we survive our challenges.

At 2/11/2006 6:31 PM, Blogger Jewboy said...

Right on. The radical Muslims have changed the world for the worse, and Europe in particular has got to be worried. We as Jews have got to be worried.

At 2/11/2006 7:42 PM, Blogger Littleredridinghoodie said...

Men are men any which way the cookie cutter cuts them. Muslims need to have a sport that does not include knives, and things that blow up. There u go guys, put your yidishe heads together and invent a game for Muslims play. I will get the funding together I have many people that will pour money into that. Or feel free to cut me out of it. I never had much of a problem with Islamic intolerance they seem to kind of like me... Maybe it’s all the behavioral training I had in Bais Yaakov. Laurence of Arabia where are you? Peace to us all.

At 2/11/2006 11:38 PM, Blogger dietgarage said...

It is time for all of us to stand up and be counted, to state that we cannot allow this insiduous attitude to reign in our societies. Now is the time, before it is too late.


At 2/12/2006 2:02 AM, Blogger yakki said...

TRB - May I say this is one of the most impressive posts I've seen you write.

At the same time that I disagree whole-heartedly with violence, I also embrace freedom of speech and press just as you do.

Let's keep our heads on straight though - who are we? ..the US, which is supposedly bringing freedom to the people of Iraq as we speak, limits freedom of press through an indefinite suspension of a local voice. Also, unneeded violence is something we (and our allies) would always refrain from. I'm merely pointing out some facts here which should lead us all to the same thoughts:

Jewboy: we as Jews should not be worried. Hashem protects us. When Yaakov doesn't keep Shabbat, Esau still makes Havdalah...this is all we need to worry about. Technically I'm not sure why Jew got dragged into this Denmark-Muslim problem....what are there 30 Jews total in Denmark? (I exaggerate..but seriously) American Jews (whom I assume Do have loyalty to their country), we should really ask ourselves what we can do with our opportunities? Think: If not for American Jewish support, Modern Israel would have never existed. Instead of building barriers, limiting freedoms, torturing, etc, why don't we as Americans ask for a different solution? Let's tell the world what is fair, and let us create positive change. While terrorists don't do this, neither do racist cartoons. TRK, great job--insidious attitudes are not good in any society. We should hate evil, not evil people (Tehillim 97:10). Ki chol bashamayim u'varetz.

At 2/12/2006 12:07 PM, Blogger FrumGirl said...

Why do you seem so surprised? This is the arab mentality... oh and don't let so-called peace seeking moslems fool you. They will stab you when your back is turned.... Such is Golus.

At 2/12/2006 3:15 PM, Blogger Masmida said...

One of the more intresting aspects of the whole conterversy is the passion.

Which is of greater concern? The Muslim objection of any slights to them or theirs, or their passion and, yes, violence, in said objection.

I find it intresting that in a country founded on the willingness to die and kill for certain inalieanable rights, (taking an idealistic view of the country's origon)so why do we find the tendancy so disturbing in others?

I am not claiming equality of values or that the Muslims are correct in their reaction, I am just using it as an oppurtunity to pose a that very intresting question, are we as willing to fight and die for our freedom, to attack those who threaten them, regardless of thier agenda or who them may be, as this uncivilized, impoverished, brainwashed populous is?

or it that we have decided that peace and freedom from fear is the greatest freedom of all.

[note: I do not claim equality of values or that the Muslims are correct in their behavior, but I think this is more than just a question of methods employed]

At 2/12/2006 3:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


There is nothing to fear but the consequence of your own actions...

Can terror can only live in the guilty or weak heart.

Take away my angels you take away my demons.

Ohr Zaruah La Tzadik Ulyishrei Lev Simcha…

The better question is do we really believe that every snake has an address? And is the devil you know better than the devil you don’t know? Who is in charge? Maybe they are doing our dirty work?

What is next? Banning of Mickey Mouse? I know of a few yeshivas that won’t allow him in… already.

At 2/14/2006 3:15 PM, Blogger Littleredridinghoodie said...

Happy Valentines Day fellow bloggers, Love and PEACE to us all. Am I the only loser going to school with the Muslims on Valentines??? Maybe it's a sign for peace.

At 2/16/2006 7:27 AM, Blogger TwennyTwo said...

Peace, TRK

I agree with you for the most part. Thanks for the linkage. It hasn't resulted in any hateration over at my blog, which is pretty cool.
Over at my place a couple days ago I Twenny-Two: Weighin' in on the cartoon debacle>made my remarks on the whole debacle and you'll notice that I'm peace lovin' somebody myself.

Here's where I get worried.

Many people are making a connection between the intolerance of many Muslims to degradation of the Prophet AND that intolerance leading to a 'Muslim Takeover' of the world. My friend, that is unjust and incorrect.

Think I'm drawing the wrong conclusion?

You said: This is where liberal values and Islam's religious views clash, head to head, in a supreme battle for the world's future, to define what kind of societies will we live in. Will Europe in 2050 contain Londonistan, Central Europe one big Khilafah, our basic freedoms restricted or destroyed? The Middle East regress into a raging torrent of intolerance? The UN voting in a platform of worldwide sharia?

That would require a huge turnaround in terms of attitude in the European-descended west. Right now, there's an underlying fear/bias/prejudice/ of and against the spread of Islam b/c of the association of violence with the religion. With my religion! That's why I'm upset with both the reactionists (for lack of a better word) AND the spawn of an idiot who printed the garbage in the first place. Let's not forget that those cartoons are as offensive as the n-word here in the USA.

MY biggest worry is that Muslims who have taken this BAIT to incite them and thus rightly earn the wrath of the west agains them don't realize that the bias is already there and that they are giving the western/white world (yup, I said it) even more reason to hate and wipe folks off the planet. Not by violence, which might cost lives and isn't the style of those outside the USA anyhow. No, by withholding resources to countries that 'harbor terrorist philosophies' or something like that; by keeping back medicine from innocents who do happen to be muslim; by failing to stop the retention of funds formerly used for charity because of this.

See how a few lil remarks start a chain reaction?

I've made my stand and then some. Join me.


At 2/16/2006 7:39 AM, Blogger TwennyTwo said...

Aiight, now that I've done the idealistic piece:

People, some comments made me almost afraid to say what I just did. I want to address them. TRK, edit me if you think I'm outta hand. This is just my sassy self.

JewBoy: See above. This is NOT Muslim World Vs. The White World. Please don't buy the bait that Danish editor set out for us all. Although tis funny that many people reveal their thinking as such w/o realizing it. Could that be you? Do you realize how racist that sounds? Please be better than that.

LittleRedRidingHoodie: (cute name!) Okay, so perhaps said Muslims should apply to the USA for better games- instead of knives use pistols and tanks AND things that blow up, great idea. This isn't play. Power shouldn't require violence. Please be better than that.

Frumgirl: too much haterade is bad for you. Not all Muslims are Arab/3rd world, and not all Arabs are Muslim. And I'm really sorry that your experiences haven't taught you otherwise. Play nice. Please be better than that.

Yakki and Dietgarage: RIGHT ON. You rock, you get it, please make your ideas infectious as I make mine.

And I do thank ya kindly f'the opportunity to speak.


At 2/16/2006 8:50 AM, Blogger Littleredridinghoodie said...


Thanks for the compliment (cute name)

We may have misunderstood one another, I meant athletic games that challenge and prove physical capabilities like an Olympic sport where the only one who gets hurt if not careful is the athlete, and not innocent bystanders.

Testosterone is lethal enough we don't need fire arms as well.

A Jewish friend of mine in Israel was put in jail for mouthing off at his commanding officer (not acceptable in any army) and showing up to line up with a guitar instead of his rifle. What he said was "I will not carry my rifle, I carry my guitar"

The USA and Canada have many peace and constitution loving Muslims applied and accepted with out discrimination in to the army, and many other public organizations.

My stylist at my old job was Muslim from Casablanca and he channeled all his energy in my closet and wardrobe. The only thing he ever used a knife for was eating.

My comment on the Knives was directed towards the post on Safiyya's Blog "The night knives came out"

Thank you for speaking up twenty two. I felt so lonely celebrating Valentines Day as the only Jewess among Muslims. Peace to us all.

At 2/16/2006 12:27 PM, Blogger Shaykhspeara Sha'ira said...

Greetings everyone from a white, swedish muslim :) yaay!! lol

What is all this fear and apocalyptic rant about? Dear bro's and sis's, calm down and be rational.

Do you think I as a muslim, am safe from extremists? We are all in the same boat, and here's news for everyone, islam is not the problem.

You think that the suicide bombers killing muslims in iraq care that they are muslim? Or the muslim passengers who were killed in the london train attacks? You think they got some sms warning them about what was gonna happen?

Please, muslims over here in sweden, yes, neighbouring denmark, have engaged in dialog, in peaceful protests, in letter writing, I myself will be on tv debating. This is the civilized way we adopt, the way of our Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) and teh way of democracy.

Dear frum girl, please look beyond what you have experienced and been told... I feel worried when I hear you speak like that. Who will protect me from such words that you utter? Who will protect my children from having such views said about them? Please, this world is all we have, let us make it a place of good faith.

Having said that, the future is ours, and we must together, muslims and non muslims fight for peace...strive for it no matter what, and always maintaining human dignity no matter to what religion they adher or indeed, don't choose to adher to.

Fighting extremism is a joint effort, for as much as you don't understand them, neither do I and my fellow 400 000 muslims in Sweden.

This has been a long post, but to conclude, my father used to teach in the local mosque here, basic knowledge about islam, and since I was 5 I attended those saturday classes. In those classes we were taught that the jews were our cousins. As a kid, before there were halal meat widespread in sweden, we used to eat Kosher foods, for they are allowed to muslims.

What does it tell you, when our religion allows us to eat your food? That we hate you? that we will stab you in the back?

Besides, those sausages made by Polish jews here are the best I ever had. lol

Peace to all.

At 2/18/2006 12:20 PM, Blogger yakki said...

Frumgirl your words were a bit strong, admittedly. Again, I don't think saying there is an "arab mentality" that makes them "back stabbers" will produce POSITIVE CHANGE. Offensive cartoons, violence, torture/abuse, terrorists, etc NOR absolutist preconceptions that promulgate and incite Hatred ARE NOT PRODUCING POSITIVE CHANGE. The British-Muslim stewardess on my JFK to London flight didn't try to stab me in the back...and I even was able to explain to her why the Jews in the aisle in front of me had "such ugly clothes and beards".

HOWEVER, in an understanding of where you are coming from I believe it IS fair to ask..... What drives angry (and rightfully angry) muslims that are peaceful and not a part of the "fundamentalist muslim" burn down a KFC? Seriously, who doesn't love chicken. Would angry Jews light up a Micky D's or Taco Bell? What could drive peaceful/non-fundamentalist/non-radical people do to this? ...I leave the question open for Twennytwo, Sha'ira, others. respectfully, -yakki (shavua tov, good week to All)

At 2/20/2006 7:07 AM, Blogger J-Turtle said...

So what is your solution? We'll give you platform and a seat in the knesset if you can write it out in 10 lines of less. Maybe even a new politcal party. We could call it Keed - koof yod yod daleth.

At 2/20/2006 8:03 AM, Anonymous marriageisnotdeath said...

I completely agree with fg. The problem is that you all (the world of politics for sure) need to realize this in order to deal with the situation properly. Just look at how the Palestinians have dealth with Israel. They have yet to keep their word.

The cartoon riots that have snowballed into killing sprees are just another example of this mentality. Wake up.

At 2/20/2006 9:13 AM, Blogger Littleredridinghoodie said...

I would not want a seat in parliment, I prefer a seat in olam habbah.
10 lines or less?

Tanah devei eliyahu, kol ha shoneh halachot bechol yom, muvtach lo shehu ben olam habah sheneemar halichot olam lo... Talmidei chachamim marbim shalom baolam... Shalom al yisrael... shalom rav leohavei toratecha,.... Hashem yivarech et amo B'SHALOM


There are many ways to kill a person, robbing them of their body is the easiest way out. (also the easiest ticket to heaven) Living death is far worse.

You have to get really close to let someone stabb you in the back, what we are experiencing is more like knife throwing, or darts.

Remember, there IS honour amongst theives.

At 2/21/2006 9:56 AM, Blogger FrumGirl said...


I was playing into the stereotype. I realize this blog is public for all to read and that it isn't the most politically correct statement to make... but still.... Who attacked who first. Who threw the world into a terror induced panic. Twas not us.

At 2/21/2006 11:40 AM, Blogger Littleredridinghoodie said...

I sure as heck hope not!

At 2/21/2006 12:33 PM, Blogger FrumGirl said...

You hope or you know? Sorry, a bit confused by your comment.

At 2/21/2006 5:09 PM, Blogger Littleredridinghoodie said...

I pray.

At 2/21/2006 7:16 PM, Blogger yakki said...

next post please..


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